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Vicky Somers Rusty Anchor 68	Posted - 2012.05.29 21:07:00 - [1] - Quote The fact that more exhumers were destroyed this Hulkageddon than ever not only proves that more people are ganking, but also that more miners are letting themselves become a victim. Because it boggles the mind. No matter how many restrictions you put on suicide ganking or high sec griefing antics, people always find new and creative ways to circumvent the system or use the new features in their favour. But this isn't the case for miners. I am really disappoint in the people that are doing this mind numbing, yet very important task within the game. I mean, I'm sure some indy mining corps take measures. From what I've seen most just go: stay docked. Very few actually bother to come up with a strategy or tactic to deny a gank or in some way circumvent death. The sheer amount of barges lost and the amount of barges lost owned by the same pilots... it shames all of us. There is a difference between being a carebear and being stupid. The more I think about this, the more I realize that mining really does need to change. Mining is sitting in a very fragile, bulky ship that shoots lasers and slowly fills up the hull with space rock that can be refined into minerals to make money with in an array of different ways. If done properly, you'd be sitting there with a group of people all shooting lasers, with orca support, indies, maybe some logistics or a combat ship. Just sitting there. So this got me thinking further... what kind of idiot came up with this game mechanic? Who thought it would be a good idea to implement this as the main source of materials for ships that are used in Internet space ****? It's the exact opposite of what Eve should be. Things in eve should be risky, but above that, things in eve should be exhilarating. Mining is NOT exhilarating. Well, maybe it is during Hulkageddon. If you are an idiot that is. Now, I have the best solution for this. Instead of blasting space rocks with fragile ships, why not just mine the same way moon goo is mined? With a POS. That's like, two problems solved at once. You can mine the same ore you get from a asteroid field in that specific system. You still take risk because tools will dec you and blow up your pos. And you don't have to spend hours looking at rocks. The only thing left to ponder over is what to do with the existing asteroid fields.
Vicky Somers Rusty Anchor 68	Posted - 2012.05.29 21:55:00 - [2] - Quote AFK Hauler wrote: Stopped reading there as it's not a violation of the rules to sandbox EVE. Did I say it is a violation of rules?
Vicky Somers Rusty Anchor 69	Posted - 2012.05.29 22:06:00 - [3] - Quote lanyaie wrote: Uhm i dont understand are you a butthurt miner or a butthurt person because mineral prices are going up? I'm butthurd because of the sambal soaked d+¦nner kebab I ate yesterday. My point is... if I ever had one. I don't know. Mining was a ******** concept from the start. People who do it and get ganked don't belong in Eve. And I see much tear potential in the "heavy duty" gankers who act like they're doing something special here. Moon mining is a great idea. Just like PI but with more work involved and a good risk factor.
Vicky Somers Rusty Anchor 69	Posted - 2012.05.29 22:47:00 - [4] - Quote Ditra Vorthran wrote: If there was a way to defend yourself, I would agree. As things are right now, there is no way for miners to properly defend themselves. Even the best tanked solo Hulk only has 30k-40k EHP. Five to six (maybe less) well armed destroyers could kill before CONCORD arrives. Even with a logi ship, whatGÇÖs to stop the gankers from including the logi in that attack? They arenGÇÖt tanked much better. There really is no proper defense.. So don't mine in a Hulk and don't mine alone. You sound like a pretty intelligent person, yet you fail when you say that there is no defense. Bring an orca, dock up. Bring ewar. Bring a Rokh with smartbombs. Bring amberlamps. Do something. I guess the answer here is obvious. Once people start thinking creatively on how to defend themselves during mining, they realize that mining is gay and go do some pew pewing themselves. Mistah Ewedynao wrote: How about a dual purpose command ship as an escort? Could do some repping and provide a big boost to shield resistance as well. See, this is the problem right there. Whenever someone comes up with a smart tactic, you people want CCP to give you some epic ship that will solve everything at the push of a button.
Vicky Somers Rusty Anchor 70	Posted - 2012.05.29 22:58:00 - [5] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: The most common response I've heard are buff hulk tank or CONCORD, not a whole new ship, though. But I guess they want something like a high-sec capable rorqural? You must not visit the suggestions forum often. They've been coming up with these god awful carrier sized, high sec capable indy ships that do everything for years. Then they got the Orca and don't use it. I'm really curious on the statistical use of an Orca. I bet half of them are used for support in WH ops or other non mining stuff.
Vicky Somers Rusty Anchor 70	Posted - 2012.05.29 23:08:00 - [6] - Quote Ditra Vorthran wrote: The problem with the solutions above is the basic assumption that it is a matter of EHP vs DPS. No matter how much EHP, either by remote rep, personal boosting, or avoidance via ECM, that isnGÇÖt the issue. ItGÇÖs an issue of balancing the predator vs. prey gameplay (see my post on that topic: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1359427#post1359427) which is in reality a wide variety of gameplay changes that need to be made. ThatGÇÖs why I agree with you that the mining mechanics need to be changed, but simple means of defense are not a solution Why not? It worked for destroyers. :P Sorry I stopped reading your thread when you cried about cloaks. Destroyers die by just looking at them.
Vicky Somers Rusty Anchor 70	Posted - 2012.05.29 23:09:00 - [7] - Quote Lin-Young Borovskova wrote: Where is the failure when players don't use something? I'm pretty sure you're not a failure and you fly all day long Osprey or Moas because you rocks in tha house wat?
Vicky Somers Rusty Anchor 70	Posted - 2012.05.29 23:16:00 - [8] - Quote Mersault wrote: This thread again. As an avid reader of GD I have to ask how many times do I have to stomach the endless wining herp derp of the same topic over and over again from grandiose self important scrubs rushing to forums with their own predigested regurgitate of a bad meal. I hate your thread, I hate that I posted in your thread, I hate that I cared enough to post or read and want to fight the hell out of you. In game. I'd hate to ask but why are you mad?
Vicky Somers Rusty Anchor 75	Posted - 2012.05.30 01:28:00 - [9] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: You still have to collect your PI from the customs office, and come Dust you'll be dealing with people trying to blow your colonies up. Moon mining isn't entirely safe either, and not intended as an every man activety. Please don't talk to me about Dust. Ever since I played the beta I have had a permanent taste of vomit in my mouth.

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